OROP protests continue for 105th day, Gul Panag extends support at Jantar Mantar

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The protest over One Rank One Pension (OROP) has continued for the 105th day on Sunday, with around 50 ex-servicemen observing relay hunger strike.

The veterans were supported on Sunday by Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) member and actor Gul Panag, who appealed to the government to “unconditionally” fulfil OROP promises the way soldiers serve the nation.

“Armed forces personnel never retire… Even if you take premature retirement, you do so after completing your pensionable services and that is also because the country wants to keep their army, navy and air force young,” Panag said at Jantar Mantar.

“But you can be recalled anytime for five years and even when you apply for VRS (voluntary retirement scheme), whether or not you get it now or after four years is not in your hands,” she said.

On Sunday, the veterans organised a rally in Dehradun.

According to the ex-servicemen, the OROP given by government is flawed as it is “One Rank Five Pensions” instead of being One Rank One Pension.

The veterans are now demanding that government should remove the anomalies in the OROP scheme that has been announced.

The OROP scheme announced by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar will take 2013 as the base year to calculate pensions and the date of implementation will be July 1, 2014.

The period for review is five years, a major point of difference between the government and the ex-servicemen.

The veterans say this will make it ‘one rank five pension’ and differences will pile up every year.

Another major point of contention was the government’s decision to keep those who take voluntary retirement out of the ambit of the scheme. However, both the defence minister and Prime Minister Narendra Modi later assured that people opting for premature retirement will not be left out of the scheme.

19 COMMENTS

  1. RE-ORGANIZATION OF MILITARY/CIVILIAN COMMAND STRUCTURE –
    There should be only 5 commands
    (NOT as Army, Navy or Air force but all
    three combined) – Northern Command, Western Command, Eastern Command, Central
    Command and Maritime Command (including Strategic Command). Eastern Command
    will include areas right up to South East Asia. Western Command will include
    areas up to Russia. Maritime Command will include areas up to West Asia
    including Arabian Sea, India Ocean, right up to Australia. Northern Command’s
    area will be limited but Kashmir itself is very important and areas in Tibet
    and Mongolia can be included. Central Command will contain all strike
    formations of Army/AF. All 5 commands should be commanded by a 4 star general
    from army, air force or navy, who will report to Joint Chiefs of Staff (4 star
    general but a higher appointment) in PMO deputed by another 4 star general.
    Both Joint Chiefs of Staff and his deputy will report to the defense minister
    but their offices will be in PMO. Prime Minister will be connected to all 4
    star commanders in field by a hotline. There should be a situation room in PMO
    where regular meeting of top brass of security apparatus can take place.
    Current service chiefs of army, air force and navy will remain in service
    headquarters to maintain and inter command transfers of the forces, however the
    military commanders in field will exercise the command and control over the
    forces under their command. Instead of one defense secretary, there will be
    secretaries each for army, air force and navy to exercise civilian control on
    specified areas.

    The above model will ensure
    complete civilian control over military, yet the highest level defense decision
    maker (PM) in touch with matters military and national defense (You know
    current DM’s frank admission about matters military). Imagine our PM calling
    the field military commander directly on hotline, eliminating all red tape.
    There will be no more inter service acrimony and all forces will jointly
    responsible for national security! If you ask for the opinion of service
    headquarters, that may be biased.

  2. OROP Draft – FLY in TEA – Who prepared the
    draft? PM

    obviously approved it for a stamp but somebody else approved it before it was

    put up to PM? Who was that somebody? Now it is almost clear that DM had no clue

    about VRS? The Trimurty (service chiefs) also had no idea how VRS made it to

    the draft OROP announcement (don’t expect them to do anything about it even if
    they knew about

    it. Those are the ornaments of govt – nothing more). Babus might have put

    forward the idea about VRS inclusion but they are not yet so powerful that they

    themselves can exclude 46% veteran population from the OROP? Then who were (or

    who was?) these forces who put FLY in the TEA before it was offered to

    veterans? This tea cup with fly came from PMO to DM for announcement and he
    probably

    didn’t know that fly was there in the tea? Even if he knew about it, how

    could he remove the fly from tea because it came from PMO. So ultimately PM

    himself removed the FLY from TEA next day. But did he really remove the

    FLY? Now DM says that when detailed orders are issued about OROP, everybody

    will come to know the status of this FLY in TEA? But the bigger question

    is, even after it is confirmed that the FLY has infact been removed from TEA,
    would any veteran take a sip from cup (Gen VK Singh is doubtful?)? How sad

    state of affairs – TEA offered to veterans but somebody managed to play

    mischief by putting FLY into the cup? Damage is done. Now for future, here is a

    suggested solution. No personal secretary or assistant of PM or a Minister

    should be from a particular service (IAS?). Personal staff carry lot of

    influence, and there is always a possibility that they can abuse this

    influence. Surely we can find more efficient folks from neutral territory (may

    be on contract) to perform these sensitive jobs. 50% of defense ministry staff
    and officers should also be from services like UK and USA. Meanwhile, media so
    busy with

    all the mudslinging against veterans, should try and find out WHO approved this
    FLY in the cup of TEA

    for veterans before the draft was presented to PM ( Prime ministers don’t

    prepare drafts, so please don’t suspect PM)? Once it is known who pre-approved

    the FLY in TEA, those forces (or FORCE) should be shown the door!

  3. In this information age, everybody has
    access to TV news. They already have opinion formed. Rally at JM or no rally,
    veterans are united, whether veteran leaders are united or not? Wait for rally
    on 12th – my hunch is it will be a huge success – not for or against Gen
    Satbir, Balbir or Kadyan – but against VRS and review every 5 years in OROP
    draft. Govt has been wrongly advised to delay and dilute this measure; the best
    would have been on May 26th to announce full OROP, overruling Finance Ministry.
    15th August announcement would have cut the losses. Bringing this discussion in
    public and thereby defaming the veterans that they are asking for more is most
    unfortunate for national security. Veterans never demanded anything. They were
    simply protesting to undo the Injustice meted out to them by babus in 1973 pay
    commission, which Modi had promised to address in Rewari. For 26 years they
    could review veteran pension annually when there were no computers, now babus
    find annual review administrative nightmare in this computer software age?
    Unfortunately for a Modi supporter (me included), despite having almost
    delivered on his promise on OROP, veterans will not vote for Modi in 2019. This
    is not a desirable thing but then who is to be blamed – Modi should have
    listened to his conscience rather than listening to Jaitley, who was first to
    support his candidature for PM but unfortunately reported contempt for the
    veterans in their just cause to undo injustice meted out to them in babu
    dominated 3rd pay commission?

  4. What
    a great psychological warfare by BABUS on OROP! First fielding senior
    journalists like Shekhar Gupta to talk sweet about veteran cause but rule out
    less than 10 year review. Shekhar Gupta was again fielded to advise PM that he
    should unilaterally announce OROP what he felt was right and not to go for
    negotiations with veterans (PM obliged on his (or babu’s?) advice few days
    later).Media was bombarded with planted editorials, comments and stories that
    veterans were unreasonable, greedy and undisciplined. When public atmosphere was
    successfully created as anti-veteran, FM was fielded to rule out annual review,
    which is central to definition of OROP as per Koshiyari committee
    recommendations. Then mediator MP Rajeev Chandrasekhar was sounded that 2-3
    year review could be possibility to lure under pressure veteran leaders to
    climb down from OROP definition (to show veterans bargaining for more money
    rather than on moral high ground that they were fighting for justice), which
    they did foolishly by publicly accepting review every two years if certain
    conditions (that no junior will get higher pension than a senior in the same
    rank) are met. Thankfully for the veterans, govt did not accept that offer and
    once again veterans have now fallen back to original demand of annual review as
    per Koshiyari committee recommendations. Whatever happens now whether govt accepts
    annual review or veterans are forced to go to courts, it is now 100% certain
    that they will only accept annual review. Veterans are on moral high ground
    again on OROP implementation that they are fighting for justice and not for
    more money, which is essential for continued public support. After the
    announcement of diluted OROP (review every 5 years) and subsequent
    disillusionment among veterans, BABUS have fielded Chetan Bhagat to mislead the
    Indian public on OROP? All these planted stories have appeared in media
    immediately before govt appeared to take some crucial decisions on OROP?

  5. ADVICE to PM: Military and
    Veteran’s loyalty to government of the day should not be suspected but still party
    politics should be kept away. That doesn’t mean military and veterans don’t
    have right to ballot? Modi should ignore finance ministry objections on OROP
    and call a meeting of DM, veteran leaders and service chiefs about sticking
    points on OROP. If it is only about few hundred crores or even 1000 crores more
    annually, decision should be in favor of veterans (that way OROP definition
    criteria set by Koshiyari committee would be met). Meanwhile, DM should call IT
    experts to discuss administrative modalities to roll out annual review (review
    was done annually for 26 years without computers before 1973). Arrears should
    be the prerogative of government but some of the dates were already committed
    by DM, if word of government counts anything? Detailed letter should be with
    all seriousness, considering veterans as children in the family. Once letter is
    issued, it would be difficult to backtrack and all kudos for good work done
    would come to naught. Please ignore pressure groups from finance ministry – it
    should be your call based on advice of DM, who happens to be head of department
    for veterans.

  6. Let’s keep it apolitical and also don’t involve service
    chiefs – both serving and retired. Chiefs are institutions by themselves. But
    why was the situation allowed to reach such proportions? Why didn’t the PM
    accept Manohar Parrikar’s proposal on OROP for 8294 thousand crores, which was
    acceptable to all stakeholders including service headquarters? Now they are
    saying that budget allocation of 10,000 crores has been made, which has been
    confirmed by PM in Chandigarh also, then why Finance Ministry is allowed to
    veto how OROP should be implemented? Finance ministry should only be concerned
    about total outlay on the scheme and not the details of it? PM should rethink
    about the future strategy and call DM and service chiefs. There is no need for
    veterans or FM to object as 10,000 approved by PM will easily meet the
    DM”s initial proposal in which all stakeholders including veterans were
    on-board. Once fire within servicing and veteran community is ignited in larger
    proportion, rightly or wrongly, it would be too late to do anything about it.
    Please don’t make it prestige issue and let better sense prevail on all sides.

  7. What
    a great psychological warfare by BABUS on OROP! First fielding senior
    journalists like Shekhar Gupta to talk sweet about veteran cause but rule out
    less than 10 year review. Shekhar Gupta was again fielded to advise PM that he
    should unilaterally announce OROP what he felt was right and not to go for
    negotiations with veterans (PM obliged on his (or babu’s?) advice few days
    later).Media was bombarded with planted editorials, comments and stories that
    veterans were unreasonable, greedy and undisciplined. When public atmosphere was
    successfully created as anti-veteran, FM was fielded to rule out annual review,
    which is central to definition of OROP as per Koshiyari committee
    recommendations. Then mediator MP Rajeev Chandrasekhar was sounded that 2-3
    year review could be possibility to lure under pressure veteran leaders to
    climb down from OROP definition (to show veterans bargaining for more money
    rather than on moral high ground that they were fighting for justice), which
    they did foolishly by publicly accepting review every two years if certain
    conditions (that no junior will get higher pension than a senior in the same
    rank) are met. Thankfully for the veterans, govt did not accept that offer and
    once again veterans have now fallen back to original demand of annual review as
    per Koshiyari committee recommendations. Whatever happens now whether govt accepts
    annual review or veterans are forced to go to courts, it is now 100% certain
    that they will only accept annual review. Veterans are on moral high ground
    again on OROP implementation that they are fighting for justice and not for
    more money, which is essential for continued public support. After the
    announcement of diluted OROP (review every 5 years) and subsequent
    disillusionment among veterans, BABUS have fielded Chetan Bhagat to mislead the
    Indian public on OROP? All these planted stories have appeared in media
    immediately before govt appeared to take some crucial decisions on OROP?

  8. ADVICE to PM: Military and
    Veteran’s loyalty to government of the day should not be suspected but still party
    politics should be kept away. That doesn’t mean military and veterans don’t
    have right to ballot? Modi should ignore finance ministry objections on OROP
    and call a meeting of DM, veteran leaders and service chiefs about sticking
    points on OROP. If it is only about few hundred crores or even 1000 crores more
    annually, decision should be in favor of veterans (that way OROP definition
    criteria set by Koshiyari committee would be met). Meanwhile, DM should call IT
    experts to discuss administrative modalities to roll out annual review (review
    was done annually for 26 years without computers before 1973). Arrears should
    be the prerogative of government but some of the dates were already committed
    by DM, if word of government counts anything? Detailed letter should be with
    all seriousness, considering veterans as children in the family. Once letter is
    issued, it would be difficult to backtrack and all kudos for good work done
    would come to naught. Please ignore pressure groups from finance ministry – it
    should be your call based on advice of DM, who happens to be head of department
    for veterans.

  9. OROP pot should remain boiling or
    else the veterans would risk again being marginalized? Being so close to one of
    the most genuine demand, personality clashes, egos or even some missteps by protesting
    veterans or veteran leaders should not be the reason to be seen divided at this
    crucial time in the history of veteran struggle? What happened for the last 42
    years is not entirely due to political passivity and indecisiveness but failure
    of military and veteran leadership to lead effectively for this most genuine
    cause? Politicians have many more priorities than military welfare – what needed
    was to press upon political leadership that OROP (as defined by parliament) in
    the historical perspective was indeed a right priority and now that every
    serving and retired soldier aware about this issue – it is totally inescapable.

  10. Shekhar Gupta’s advice on unilateral
    announcement of OROP accepted by govt but nobody is happy? We want to know even
    a single veteran who can claim that he is happy with OROP announcement? Can the
    veteran leaders like Lt Gen Kadyan (AAP candidate in last election) and Balbir
    Singh, who are now on the govt side – claim that they are happy with the
    contents of announcement? There was babu propaganda on the run up to the OROP
    announcement that some veteran groups had approached DM that they were happy
    about pension review every 5 years? Who were those groups and leaders?
    Jaichands of modern India divided the movement but is the rank and file with
    them? Every veteran is very unhappy and angry on severely diluted OROP announcement.
    Now this gentleman (who is advisor on matters military – though nobody in the
    family would’ve served in military for last 10 generations?) Shekhar Gupta with
    bania budhi should advise PM as to what should he do as his prescription on
    unilateral announcement has not worked – rather backfired?

  11. Mr. PM, there is no doubt who is
    calling shots on OROP? And the people (AJ and his team of babus possibly?) who
    are calling shots can’t do it without your blessings! DM and Gen VKS are
    helpless to do anything about it, or the matter could’ve been closed several
    months ago without any public debate and resultant damage? Service chiefs
    certainly can play a more active role (don’t blame Congress or Vajpayee govt
    alone for 42 years delay) but you reap what you sow (military leadership has
    come to this level in few decades?). You will attract better leaders in
    military if there is respect and status for the job? Unfortunately you think in
    terms of % of military personnel (Sepoys, Havildars and Naiks) as the largest
    vote bank (85%). But what runs military machine effectively including winning
    wars is the quality of leadership. India
    is poised to be world super power sooner or later and you can’t ignore military
    indefinitely on the behest of babus? Some balance has to be established between
    civilian bureaucracy and military and that shouldn’t are the first leader who
    is capable of holding the bull by horn and people have high hopes from you!

    Hon. Modiji, yad hai SHOLAY men
    GABBAR ne THAKUR ko kya bola tha? Bahut Pachhtaoge Thakur! Faujiyon aur Babuon
    ki ladai men babuon ka pax lena bahut mehnga padega? 14th August Ko Budhe
    Faujion Ki Baijjiti ACP Meena Ke Gen Satbir Se Hath Milane Se Khatam Nahi
    Hojati. Sabko Malum Hai Kisne Hukum Diya Tha? Bahut Pachhtaoge Modiji? Fauji
    Disciplined Hai Islia Bolenge Kuchh Nahin Lakin Bhoolenge Bhi Nahin?

  12. Clear One Rank One Pension Unconditionally,
    which includes:

    1. Those who have taken Premature
    Retirement must come under OROP.

    2. Pensions would be taken from the top of the pay scales.

    3. Financial Year 2013-14 be taken for fixing the
    base.

    4. Judicial Commission to be composed of three
    ex-servicemen, one serving officer and a bureaucrat.

    5. Commission to come out with a report on the implementation of
    the OROP in one month.

    6. OROP to be independent of the Central Pay
    Commission and the concept should be in perpetuity.

    7. Pension revision to be every year.

  13. Gen Kadyan
    and Gen Balbir were not in favor of 12 Sep rally before govt letter is issued?
    Well done Generals – Jaichands of Modern India? That’s the reason a handful of
    persians and afghans ruled India for 100 of years? Kushwahas of Jaipur were
    courtiers of Akbar and fought their fellow nationals –Marathas? There is some
    one from Jaipur in Delhi Darbar too. So the Kadyans and Balbirs will organize
    veteran rally after govt notification? For what? To thank the govt for diluting
    the OROP? Why would govt backtrack once so called OROP (it can’t be OROP if it
    is without annual review, which has already been ruled out by the king Jaitley
    followed by joker Parrikar) notification. They didn’t change anything for 10
    years after 6th pay commission and now govt will change the notification terms
    after Gen Kadyan and Gen Balbir stage veteran rally post notification issuance.
    Case for any meaningful outcome on OROP was killed the day Gen Kadyan and
    Balbir walked off from JM? Ab khunkhune bajate raho!

    Yaad hai SHOLAY men GABBAR ne
    THAKUR ko kya bola tha? Bahut Pachhtaoge Thakur! Faujiyon aur Babuon ki ladai
    me babuon ka pax lena bahut mehnga padega? 14th August Ko Budhe Faujion Ki
    Baijjiti ACP Meena Ke Gen Satbir Se Hath Milane Se Khatam Nahi Hojati. Sabko
    Malum Hai Kisne Hukum Diya Tha? Bahut Pachhtaoge? Fauji Disciplined Hai Islia
    Bolenge Kuchh Nahin Lakin Bhoolenge Bhi
    Nahin?

  14. By now everybody suspects that Mr. Jaitley and babus are behind OROP
    dilution, making it a mere pension enhancement for veterans, the responsibility
    lies at the door of the prime minister. The consequences, if any, will have to
    be borne by him and his party. Babus and Mr. Jaitley have nothing to lose
    because they don’t have to face the electorate? Don’t be under the illusion
    that most veterans are happy with OROP as announced on 5th September?

  15. Veterans, it is now or never! Modi and Parrikar are the best bet but
    they’ve compulsions from NAY SAYERS in finance ministry. Remember all
    politicians, babus and by now majority of public know the injustice meted out
    to you in 1973 pay commission and OROP as discussed and approved in parliament
    is a worthy cause. Please don’t expect govt, babus, parliament and the public
    to do the heavy lifting for your worthy cause; YOU HAVE TO DO IT! Despite ESM
    leadership issues, ultimately what counts is every hand raised – 5.6 million is
    VERY BIG FIGURE and once family and relations included, easily 15 – 20 million,
    enough to convince PM what needs to be done? We love our PM – Hope he loves us
    too?

  16. Hon Modi promised OROP (one rank
    one pension) in Rewari. Hon Parrikar
    approved and forwarded OROP recommendations to Hon Jaitley.
    Hon Jaitley rejected OROP. Draft
    OROP announced on 5th Sep is not OROP but OR5P (one rank 5 pensions – pension
    review every 5 years). Is Hon Modi
    unable to keep OROP promise under pressure from Hon Jaitley and Babus? Hon PM backtracks on solemn promise to
    military (Siachen) veterans (Rewari) and the nation (Red Fort)? Can anyone refute these facts? Supreme Court lawyer & FM Hon Jaitley’s
    opposition to annual review is indefensible:
    1. No other country has annual pension review – not relevant (India doesn’t
    provide salaries and pensions based on other countries). 2.
    Extra cost (by finance ministry’s own estimates, not more than 700-750
    crores annually; actual figures will be much lower considering every rank will
    reach the max of scale in 5-6 years) – Hon Modi should’ve got the estimates
    before making solemn promise (at Red Fort promise, PM had all the resources
    available if not at Rewari). 3.
    Administrative nightmare – totally babu created bogey. Till 1973, veteran pensions were reviewed
    every year when there were no computers.
    Now it is possible to make updates to pension records or
    computation/revision of pensions at any periodicity, as shown to Hon Parrikar
    by a retired admiral in Bangalore recently.

  17. Clear One Rank One Pension Unconditionally,
    which includes:

    1. Those who have taken Premature
    Retirement must come under OROP.

    2. Pensions would be taken from the top of the pay scales.

    3. Financial Year 2013-14 be taken for fixing the
    base.

    4. Judicial Commission to be composed of three
    ex-servicemen, one serving officer and a bureaucrat.

    5. Commission to come out with a report on the implementation of
    the OROP in one month.

    6. OROP to be independent of the Central Pay
    Commission and the concept should be in perpetuity.

    7. Pension revision to be every year.

  18. Is the
    following true that Jaitley failed twice in SSB interviews? “Mr Jaitley has
    been rather sarcastic in his words and tone with respect to yearly increment or
    monthly increment. Why Mr Modi hates Defense Personnel may be lying in a write
    up yesterday where it says that in younger days Jaitley had tried twice his
    luck to pass Defense Services Selection Board but could not make it – like not
    making it to Lok Sabha too. Jaitley as FM needs to know more about the very
    capable Cream of India that must be inducted as officers in Defense Services.
    Atleast the PM must council his FM on the need to invest in Brave Hearts,
    Intelligent and very capable lot out of India Young Blood to take mantle of
    Leaders in Defense Services.

  19. MODI GOVERNMENT NEVER CARES THE SLOGAN WHICH MADE HISTORY …….
    “JAI JAWAN, JAI KISAN” ……..

    MODI SAHAB NOT SANCTIONING OROP !!!!!!!!!!!
    DEGENERATING OUR DEFENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ONLY THUMPING HIS 56″ SEENA !!!!!!!!!!
    PEOPLE FEELING HOPELESS !!!!!!!!!!

    PROBABLY MR. KHALI, WWE CHAMPION, WAS A BETTER OPTION AS A PM FOR US BECAUSE KHALI’S SEENA IS MUCH BIGGER THAN 56″ ……..

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